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3/14/2011 28 Comments Return Of The RatI think I've been quiet about it enough. I've seen the postings and comments and whatnot on Facebook, and I've been kept mum about it all, biding my time and waiting for more facts to come in and trying not to get involved in all the early Bullshit and Drama that usually comes in when stuff gets ugly, but now? Fuck that line of thinking. The LVCS should be called on their bullshit and if you support that place or anything they do you should be called on it too, and I'll tell you why. It started with the announcement of this upcoming Jello Biafra And The Guantanamo School Of Medicine / 45 Grave gig happening there. I was a bit surprised because I knew about the LVCS saying to Local bands and National booking Agents that 'The LVCS is no longer booking Punk Rock bands and is going in a different direction', which, apparently, is as a blues bar. Yeah, guess they never heard of Fremont Street Reggae And Blues, or the Sand Dollar Blues Lounge, both of which went under because the Blues scene here in Vegas consists of 100 or so people, but whatever. The LVCS turned their back on the Bands that helped establish the venue as a legit place to play, and the Scene and Music that made it so. Big whoop. Happens all the time, right? So why the sudden about face on what was a well defined stance that was taken? Well I'll tell ya. The whole reason that the gig is even happening there is because that douche bag from that shitty as fuck band The Dickless Bastards is telling the guy who took over Roxie's job, I think his name is Ass Face, that he could book the place, get the bands to play by the rules and whatnot, and do all the things that Roxie had been doing there before, but better. Talk about a major backstabbing!! And on top of it, for Reasons which I cannot begin to fathom, Roxie gave those unethical fucks a residency there playing every Monday night to a crowd of no one, or possibly to some unsuspecting drunks who wander in there from Fremont St. Funny right? Yeah, it is. Those losers couldn't draw flies to their gigs if they were covered in shit from head to toe. Tossers. So that idiot from The Dickless Bastards sets up the Jello Biafra And The Guantanamo School Of Medicine / 45 Grave gig, in cahoots with ol Ass Face at the LVCS, who, so I hear, is the one responsible for this little bit of libelous slander right here.  Amazing, isn't it? I think it pretty much speaks for itself, and Kudos to the Mapes for being labeled 'Too Cool and Disrespectful"... hahahaaha I agree with a few of the assessments on here, by the way. :-) The fact that he compiled a list is what get's me. Damn idiot. So yeah, to get back to the point, the Jello Biafra And The Guantanamo School Of Medicine gig is booked, and by some strange coincidence the 2 bands that the dooshbag is in are opening, and when it's posted on Facebook the shit hits the fan. People are just sniping away, with my comment about thinking that Jello Biafra didn't play Corporate places starting an interesting conversation. What? You didn't know that the LVCS is part of a Corporation? Oh yes it is. The LVCS is Owned and Operated by Hennessey's Inc., a company that was started by a Wall Street broker and which generates about 30 million dollars a year. It's a very Powerful Corporation. That's why it was funny to be getting that response from one of the Tools in The Dickless Bastards about 'don't let him know it is corporate', which, if meant seriously is amazingly stupied, and if meant as a joke, then it's just plain stupied. I don't think he was joking though. People were very opinionated about what was going on. Szandora bore the brunt of the e-battle on Facebook, unfortunately, because her loser 'band mates' just sat by quietly and let her do all the talking, but that factor, the whole Szandora meddling thing, which wasn't THAT big of a deal, got squashed quickly and Apologies were issued all around. Yaaaayy. But yet the gig is still going on. Booooooooooo. So for the cool factor of having your bands name on a flyer with Jello Biafra and 45 Grave, you're gonna fuck your friend over that's done all sorts of things for you by going and sucking the Corporate dick and supporting a venue that doesn't deserve it and that you shouldn't be playing at? Really? Is that fucked up or is it just me, because I'm thinking it's majorly fucked up.
I guess the real thing that gets me about all of this is the Ethics involved in it. You gotta know who your Friends are. I've softened a lot on my stance about the Double Down over the years. I still won't go there, but I got no problem playing there, if that makes any sense, but the LVCS? Fuck that place. I want nothing to do with it and if your Band plays there, then I want nothing to do with you either. If you play that place, then you're a piece of shit backstabbing motherfucker. You can justify it any way that you please; Ignorance, Apathy and Stupiedity are all acceptable excuses, but what it comes down to is a simple Right vs. Wrong thing in my book. Fuck The LVCS. Don't Play There. Don't Go There. What they've done to the Local Music Scene is a huge slap in the face, and if you can go there and support them and justify their existence and legitimacy as a venue to see gigs at, then you're just an ignorant turd. For those of you who know and love Roxie, it's a Personal thing. Fuck The LVCS. Don't Play There. Don't Go There. For everything that Roxie has done for that place, for them to try to fuck her over like they have been, and for everything that Roxie has done for YOUR bands and MY bands, it's ludicrous to even think about seeing shows there or playing there or spending any money there. Fuck that. Corporations like Hennessey's (which is the Owner of the LVCS) can only be hit where it hurts - the bottom line, which is all about dollars and cents. If you don't support the place, it goes away, and it will be nothing but a distant memory of a cool place we all used to play that went to absolute shit, much like the Sin City Saloon did, or Tramps, or The Boston. I can't wait until the LVCS is added to that list. I know that it's coming soon. Again, Fuck The LVCS. Don't Play There. Don't Go There. If you play that place, you ain't got a friend here. You're cut off at the knees. If you go to a gig there, I'll look at you with Disdain and Repugnance, just like I do to all of you that go to the Double Down. You gotta know who your Friends are, and back them up no matter what.
28 Comments
John G.
3/14/2011 12:49:44 pm
3/14/2011 03:16:23 pm
Let's please try and clear the air of misinformation and dramatic inaccuracies. The Jello Biafra And The Guantanamo School Of Medicine/45. Grave/1/2 AST/Thee Swank Bastards show, was in the works before ANYONE knew Roxy was being let go. Right when Jello approved the venue and gave the go ahead for the show, LVCS fired Roxy. The show would have been put into her lap if she was still there. NO ONE, I REPEAT, NO ONE from Thee Swank Bastards or 1/2 AST had anything to do with Roxy being fired, this is purely speculation that is not true! The LVCS made the decision to stop doing punk shows without influence from Thee Swank Bastards plain and simple! To say we (1/2 AST) or any other band should not play the show because we stabbed Roxy in the back is ridiculous. WE DID NOT stabb her in the back! If you want to blame the LVCS, then fine you have every right, but relize this will probably be the last punk show there anyway. We have supported Roxy and she has supported us for many years. We hope the drama can be squashed and the suppoprt will continue from both sides. To say that there will be no more support from onethirtyeight.org because of one show that will probably be the last punk show at the LVCS, is not necessary and too drastic. If onethirtyeight.org decides to give us the boot then it will be no different than any other blacklists we have been put on in the past ten years. How many venues in this town over the past 20 years have stopped doing punk shows for one reason or another? Any promoter who doesn't see this coming (no, I'm not singling out Roxy) is delusional. Any promoter who has set up shows or will set up shows in the future at any venue will have to deal with fucked up business decisions. I guess we could go back to the days of the 1980's and have no where to play except the desert, garages and backyards. Those shows are fun but get old when the cops keep showing up and people lose their equipment and go to jail. Fortunately, the Double Down has been a consistant venue in this town that has supported local music longer than any other. Without the Double Down the scene in this town would be much worse than it is. The success of the Double Down is a major reason why other venues will even let promoters do shows in the first place. 1/2 AST has supported onethirtyeight.org and wants to continue to do so despite the threats to end support for our band. I personally have seen this same situation play out numerous times over the course of my 25 years in the scene and someone always gets the shaft. God I'm old! Hopefully you can see this situation from a different point of view and realize what acctually happened so that friends can remain friends. If not, it's been fun!
fags
3/15/2011 02:23:11 am
ahh another wannabe "promoter" who's only concern is sticking their own terrible band on an otherwise good bill... Vegas already has one of those.
Misinformation and Dramatic Inaccuracies. Let's add a few other things to that as well, shall we? ;-) @ fags: Yeah, the 'Promoters' behind this gig are definitely a bunch of douche bags. The fact that the same bands are opening up both gigs (apparently there's an All Ages thing happening there too ::BARF::) is a major glaring point in all of this. What kind of a dickhead puts his own bands on every gig he promotes? Oh, that's the Tool from The Dickless Bastards, who musically are shit piled upon shit, with a hott chick hula hooping while they play. That's the dick head that does that. I would think that the fact that the venue is not worthy of support, and the fact that they're trying to fuck over one of the nicest persons you will ever find in the music scene would be reason enough to not have the gig there, but apparently, it's just sooooooo important to have your bands name on a flyer with 2 other well established bands that you will go out of your way to burn some bridges to do so. Bridges, BTW, which you will be walking back down once all this is over and done with. Karma is a Motherfucker. 3/15/2011 08:28:19 am
Do you think the LVCS gave a shit about the local music scene when you were going there to play and drink? They are a business that wants to capitalize on it. They started as a country bar and then did a complete 180 and started doing punk shows. That should have been the first sign that they were only interested in one thing. If I was a part of the country scene I would have blogged about the backstabbing new promoter and fucked up policy of the LVCS that doesn't care about country. They didn't care then and they don't care now. That should have been obvious to EVERYONE from the start! Your acting as if the LVCS is going to do more punk shows after the Jello show just to spite Roxy and the scene and take money that they should be making. This is rediculous! What other punk shows are booked at the LVCS besides the Jello show? It's one show that was being booked when Roxy was still there and after it is over, the LVCS will try blues or jazz or buttfucking on bull if they think it will make money. I'm not saying that will work but it's their choice and not ours. You knew what the LVCS considered right and wrong from the beginning yet you still went there anyway. Are you a hypocrite for going there in the first place? It seemed to be ok when your scene and your friends were benifiting but now that we as punks can't benifit theres a huge problem. Go listen to Decendents, Sour Grapes and get over it!;)
John G. 1/2 AST
3/15/2011 08:37:00 am
Hey Aynonymous fags,
Jerk
3/15/2011 08:56:44 am
If the show was booked before Rox was let go....it was done behind her back. HER job was book ALL bands that played the venue. Leads me to believe All the rumors I am hearing about LVCS are true. They are VERY underhanded.
jerk
3/15/2011 08:59:41 am
And why if you are such good friend with Roxie, Did you not contact HER about the show? She did get Thee Swank Bastards the Gig at LVCS in the first place. Why would you guys go over her head if you are all buddy buddy? Sounds like whoever brought this show was gunning for something. Just sayin'!
John G. 1/2 AST
3/15/2011 09:39:39 am
To anonymous Jerk,
No shit, no one from either of those bands had anything to do with me being fired, although I do give you all a round of applause for having large enough egos to even think ANYONE thought that in the first place.
Ya know, Jerk brings up a really good point. If the show was really tentatively booked while Roxie was there, then why didn't she know about it? It's a bit of a coincidence that this show just popped out of nowhere, and with the "Promoter" of the gig being in both opening bands, it just looks bad, ya know? If the gig was being worked on before Roxie was let go, then why didn't anyone give her the heads up? Her cell phone number hasn't changed, and neither has her email. Like I said, could be a strange coincidence, but I don't think so.
STEVEOH
3/15/2011 04:43:53 pm
This shit was bound to happen. How long has any venue put on punk shows in this town? Roxies always done good by me, and has put on killer shows. Whether at LVCS or Boomers or wherever. I know most of these people being discussed, and, hey, shit happens. Lets move on and get back to music. This town only has a "scene" if we create one.
Venues will put on Punk shows as long as the bands make it happen. Look at the Double Down for an example. When the bands start bad mouthing a place, it usually goes away very quickly. Lots of people are bad mouthing the LVCS and for good reason. If you're gonna turn a blind eye to it all, or keep your head in the sand and act like you don't know what's going on, then you're an ignorant fuck and not worthy of being included in this conversation. :-)
John G. 1/2 AST
3/16/2011 07:19:21 am
Roxy, your seriously gonna say we (1/2 AST) have never done anything for you! How about paying you to record our first album. How about playing I don't know how many shows for free! How about going to arizona and not getting paid a dime! How about paying you to get shitty industries up and running and paying for shirts to be made. How about asking you to play Bass for us! How about giving you the benefit of the doubt when it came to drama you've had with other promoters and venues in this town. Did you make money on some of this? If you say no then you are just not telling the truth. We appriciate the fact that you have hooked us up with shows and have paid us for some of them. But to say we have never done anything for you is an insult and shouldn't even be a part of this dispute. The only reason I am involving myself in this is because of the rediculous insults made towards my bass player and his band by Gibert. What would you have done if you had not been let go and Jesse and Szandora and Shaun came to you and said they were able to book the Jello show? You would have gladly put it on the schedule and made your money. Just because they didn't involve you in the preliminary stages of the booking you think they were conspiring against you. You guys have obviously not gotten along and no one has claimed that you are good friends. To say that they are trying to steal your venue and your shows is not true. Even it were true it's not like you are innocent of doing the same thing to other promoters in this town. If you claim that you are innocent of this, i'm sure there are other promoters that would claim otherwise. If the LVCS is trying to fuck you over then get a laywer and sue for your money. Don't blame Thee Swank Bastards or 1/2 AST for playing shows there after the fact. Blame the LVCS for wanting to head in a different direction on their own. As you well know, It's happenend before and it will happen again. Regardless of what they told you, you as well as Gilbert, knew that the LVCS didn't give a shit about you or your money or the scene from the very first punk show, thats why there was a contract in the first place. Yet, all of you were more than happy to promote the LVCS because you were benefiting. Now that you can no longer benefit, all of the sudden the LVCS is horrible. They went from country to punk and your suprised that they used you and are trying to fuck you over! You made a deal with the devil, and what a suprise, the devil lies. You are an expert at promoting, you should have seen this coming. If they breached your contract then you will eventually prevail and I will personally be happy for you. Hey Gilbert, how come you didn't post one of my submissions?
Hey John,
John G. 1/2 AST
3/16/2011 09:54:15 am
This stupid shit that was started by attacks on Jesse, Shaun and Szandora, has gotten completly ridiculous because of petty personal insults and comments that have nothing to do with the problem. They are ignorant and based on pure anger and frustration. I'm refuse to participate in any futher bullshit commentary that will only result in someone getting hurt. Goodbye!!
Jerk
3/16/2011 10:47:49 am
Amen!!! Now let's all play some rock and roll!! This shit is over! No need for violence..... Even though sometime it does solve everything.
"Rediculous insults"? Moi? Nooooooooooooo... not me! You have me confused with some other asshole Sir! hahahaha And I didn't post one of your submissions? What on Earth are you talking about? This things on auto-pilot, because I knew the shit was going to be flying fast and furious on here. Surprise surprise surprise. I was right. 3/17/2011 03:19:34 am
Let me tell you the story of Jello Biafra playing in Las Vegas.
'EREMY
3/17/2011 07:50:03 am
Chicken wings are awesome. without roxie, the scene wouldnt have the faint sense of a heartbeat it has now. we cant survive on the double down and divebar alone.her current displacement has interupted everyones life, cancelled shows we all thought we were gonna play, and made us sad to see one of our own inflicted by corporate woahs.however, roxie will bounce back, the scene will never be good, and it will get hot outside. these things are obvious in vegas.
hahaha
3/22/2011 06:44:03 am
Here is the real deal, there has never or will ever be a scene there, because all of you in Vegas are DRAMA, always have been, always will. Backstabbers and people who won’t stand up from themselves. 98% out of state bands only play there because its Vegas!!! they don’t give a fuck about the people, scene or kids, because they know it sucks!!! All the venues are shitty and so are the bands. Ever since the Huntridge closed and died, you all have been scrounging for place to play and hang out. You are all small fish in a small pond. Good luck living in a lifeless dust bowl, with no future. But the good news is YOU WILL ALL BE VEGAS LEGENDS! No one cares about Roxie, Jesse, Szandora or even Jello for that matter, seriously you guys are all fucking lame, and you all deserve lame ass Vegas, and its lame ass scene! hahahaah Spoken like a truly bitter dickless wonder! Congrats assclown! You're the Douche of the Week! hahaha What's the matter Sweet Cheeks? Somebody stab your back and not stand up for you while you were here in Vegas? Boo fucking Hoo. And the Huntridge? Really? Wow. It's just too bad you don't have the balls to tell us who you are and what Scene your in that's so wonderful and perfect. I'd love to hear all about it...
Extermik8
3/23/2011 02:38:16 am
ha! Yeah, a scene that's so flatlined he reads your blog to keep up with it ;)
bill
3/24/2011 07:38:53 am
lots of drama pretty lame i say play anywhere you can its not like there's much choice of venues 6/27/2012 04:33:06 pm
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